<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Fog mirror</title> <atom:link href="http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/</link> <description>Round Wall Mirror, Large Round Mirror, Wall Mirrors Decorative</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:27:28 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4</generator> <item><title>By: Ping.fm</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-3555</link> <dc:creator>Ping.fm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-3555</guid> <description>DenTek Dental Scaler Pick Anti Fog Mirror - &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DenTek Dental Scaler Pick Anti Fog Mirror &#8211; <a rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Naomi</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-2899</link> <dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:42:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-2899</guid> <description>no more ruff looking mornings with an anti-fog mirror!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no more ruff looking mornings with an anti-fog mirror!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: what</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-2826</link> <dc:creator>what</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:38:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-2826</guid> <description>Turbo-fog mirror seems relevantor NLB vs. RDW</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turbo-fog mirror seems relevantor NLB vs. RDW</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg L</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-2797</link> <dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 04:26:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-2797</guid> <description>TSC,It was only a matter of time before some folks began figuring a way to cash in on this.  Last week, I read about an attorney who has developed a specialty in keeping people in their homes and actually is viewed as an expert on this matter by other attorneys.  It reminds me of all the commercials promising folks that their IRS debts can be reduced to 10 cents on the dollar.  That may apply to a few, but not to most, but everyone who goes for it is going to wind up paying thousands of dollars of fees to get mostly nothing.  I suspect that may apply to some of the home foreclosures as well.However, this foreclosure mess is a much bigger problem than a few folks losing homes.  The real issue IMO is the threat to the banking system along with a number of other financial institutions.  The chain of title problem on the mortgages throws into question the value of mortgage backed securities that were tied to them and placed everywhere--pensions, insurance companies, banks and etc.  And rather than allowing the free market to discipline the banks along with the homeowners, it appears that there are moves being made to bail them out again--this time with money printing.I say free market discipline for all is in order.  No one should expect to keep their home if they default and no one should expect to be propped up if your lending criteria simply involved someone&#039;s ability to fog a mirror.  As it is now, the heavens are being moved to avoid the guilty financial institutions from paying for these errors not to mention the absence of fraud prosecutions for some.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSC,</p><p>It was only a matter of time before some folks began figuring a way to cash in on this.  Last week, I read about an attorney who has developed a specialty in keeping people in their homes and actually is viewed as an expert on this matter by other attorneys.  It reminds me of all the commercials promising folks that their IRS debts can be reduced to 10 cents on the dollar.  That may apply to a few, but not to most, but everyone who goes for it is going to wind up paying thousands of dollars of fees to get mostly nothing.  I suspect that may apply to some of the home foreclosures as well.</p><p>However, this foreclosure mess is a much bigger problem than a few folks losing homes.  The real issue IMO is the threat to the banking system along with a number of other financial institutions.  The chain of title problem on the mortgages throws into question the value of mortgage backed securities that were tied to them and placed everywhere&#8211;pensions, insurance companies, banks and etc.  And rather than allowing the free market to discipline the banks along with the homeowners, it appears that there are moves being made to bail them out again&#8211;this time with money printing.</p><p>I say free market discipline for all is in order.  No one should expect to keep their home if they default and no one should expect to be propped up if your lending criteria simply involved someone&#039;s ability to fog a mirror.  As it is now, the heavens are being moved to avoid the guilty financial institutions from paying for these errors not to mention the absence of fraud prosecutions for some.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Skincare_sales</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-2066</link> <dc:creator>Skincare_sales</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:18:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-2066</guid> <description>Our new bathroom fan is so quiet it causes one to wonder if it is doing anything, but it is. Zero shower fog on mirror.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our new bathroom fan is so quiet it causes one to wonder if it is doing anything, but it is. Zero shower fog on mirror.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Abigail</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-1770</link> <dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:54:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-1770</guid> <description>song name &quot;I&#039;m your&#039;s&quot;artist: Jason Mraz.this link will give you the lyrics!! this is my favorite song</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>song name &quot;I&#039;m your&#039;s&quot;</p><p>artist: Jason Mraz.</p><p>this link will give you the lyrics!!<br /> this is my favorite song</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BiggerHammerTexas</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-1637</link> <dc:creator>BiggerHammerTexas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-1637</guid> <description>I can confess that I worked at Bowen Family Homes for two and a half years and I have NEVER in my 8 previous years of new home sales and management EVER seen a worse run company.  I am sorry to know Orilus personally.  He and many other clients in Austin got the shaft when Bowen couldn&#039;t / wouldn&#039;t hire construction supers who knew what they were doing - (cause it would cost a little bit more).  I kid you not that the standard for hiring a construction superintendent was &quot;can he fog a mirror held in front of his mouth&quot;...  With standards set so low, and extreme turn over,  many of the houses went through 4 or more construction superintendents (very bad - like changing surgeons in the middle of the operation) and took nearly a year and half to build (inexcusable) with Bowen&#039;s management philosophy being &quot;We Hope Those clients DO cancel, because we think we can sell it to someone else for MORE $&quot; &amp; &quot;If they do complain to corporate, Bowen will exercise it&#039;s own cancellation clause in the contract to dump the client&quot;.  I know one client on this list and he as threatened with cancellation when he complained to the state authorities about his situation.  I am sure space is limited in all the sorry things I saw and heard at Bowen Family Homes in Austin.  However, if anyone wants to get the skinny, let me know.BIGGERHAMMERTEXAS</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can confess that I worked at Bowen Family Homes for two and a half years and I have NEVER in my 8 previous years of new home sales and management EVER seen a worse run company.  I am sorry to know Orilus personally.  He and many other clients in Austin got the shaft when Bowen couldn&#039;t / wouldn&#039;t hire construction supers who knew what they were doing &#8211; (cause it would cost a little bit more).  I kid you not that the standard for hiring a construction superintendent was &#8220;can he fog a mirror held in front of his mouth&#8221;&#8230;  With standards set so low, and extreme turn over,  many of the houses went through 4 or more construction superintendents (very bad &#8211; like changing surgeons in the middle of the operation) and took nearly a year and half to build (inexcusable) with Bowen&#039;s management philosophy being &#8220;We Hope Those clients DO cancel, because we think we can sell it to someone else for MORE $&#8221; &#038; &#8220;If they do complain to corporate, Bowen will exercise it&#039;s own cancellation clause in the contract to dump the client&#8221;.  I know one client on this list and he as threatened with cancellation when he complained to the state authorities about his situation.  I am sure space is limited in all the sorry things I saw and heard at Bowen Family Homes in Austin.  However, if anyone wants to get the skinny, let me know.</p><p>BIGGERHAMMERTEXAS</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mr. Goodadvice</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-1312</link> <dc:creator>Mr. Goodadvice</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-1312</guid> <description>Being unclear on a subject intentionally. Hillary really Fogged the mirror with her views on immigration.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being unclear on a subject intentionally.<br /> Hillary really Fogged the mirror with her views on immigration.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Mueller</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-1297</link> <dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:35:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-1297</guid> <description>We saw the same scare that these programs were going to go away earlier.  I&#039;m glad they didn&#039;t.  I don&#039;t think they will in the future either.Yes, I am a &quot;Designated Nehemiah Specialist&quot; but even if I wasn&#039;t I see the very important need of being able to get people into home ownership with little or nothing down.  That&#039;s the biggest hurdle for so many.These are not Fog the Mirror Loans, they are not Liar Loans, they are fully documented, fully underwritten loans for qualified buyers, purchasing the property they will live in (No Investment Property).  Their one and only stumbling block is the down payment.In the big picture, if you want to move out of this housing crisis, someone is going to have to buy that excess inventory.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We saw the same scare that these programs were going to go away earlier.  I&#039;m glad they didn&#039;t.  I don&#039;t think they will in the future either.</p><p>Yes, I am a &#8220;Designated Nehemiah Specialist&#8221; but even if I wasn&#039;t I see the very important need of being able to get people into home ownership with little or nothing down.  That&#039;s the biggest hurdle for so many.</p><p>These are not Fog the Mirror Loans, they are not Liar Loans, they are fully documented, fully underwritten loans for qualified buyers, purchasing the property they will live in (No Investment Property).  Their one and only stumbling block is the down payment.</p><p>In the big picture, if you want to move out of this housing crisis, someone is going to have to buy that excess inventory.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tim zank</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-1079</link> <dc:creator>tim zank</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:00:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-1079</guid> <description>Sad to say Leo, that pretty much sums it up! I hate to think we just throw up our hands on this one, but with Dems in charge of the whole shebang, it&#039;s basically the &quot;fog on the mirror&quot; test for citizenship. (i.e. if you&#039;re breathin&#039; your now a citizen) So crank up the presses for more voter registration cards (in spanish of course) and open the doors wide at the BMV, it&#039;s gonna be a long line.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to say Leo, that pretty much sums it up! I hate to think we just throw up our hands on this one, but with Dems in charge of the whole shebang, it&#039;s basically the &#8220;fog on the mirror&#8221; test for citizenship. (i.e. if you&#039;re breathin&#039; your now a citizen) So crank up the presses for more voter registration cards (in spanish of course) and open the doors wide at the BMV, it&#039;s gonna be a long line.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jade</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-878</link> <dc:creator>Jade</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-878</guid> <description>it&#039;s you right? we weren&#039;t born yesterday!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#039;s you right? we weren&#039;t born yesterday!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Martin</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-709</link> <dc:creator>Chris Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:46:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-709</guid> <description>Hi Jenn,Thanks for this post. I&#039;m glad to see that cooler heads prevail in Seattle too. I couldn&#039;t agree more that to call this an out and out panic and catastrophe blows things way out of proportion.Specifically as things apply to our world of real estate, far more of the &quot;bad&quot; is without question behind us than in front of us.Look at all the corrective actions that have long been overdue.Problem: Too much money lent to underqualified borrowers. Result: High foreclosure rate. Corrective Action: Lending standards tightned.Problem: Real estate appreciation outpaced consumer affordability for years. Symptom: The average American could no longer afford an average home. Corrective Action: Prices fell.We are well into the needed corrective actions. Is all of the fallout done? Surely not.  But are banks giving money to anyone who can fog a mirror...uh, no. They stopped doing that 18 months ago. Are sellers flipping houses for 30% profits? Again, that&#039;s ancient history.Are we at the bottom? Hmmm...maybe...maybe not. But I&#039;d bet you my last Krispy Kreme (the worlds most decadent donut if you don&#039;t have them where you live) that we&#039;re awful close.Great job Jenn.Chris Martin Success Coaching and Consultingcmartin@kwcharleston.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenn,</p><p>Thanks for this post. I&#039;m glad to see that cooler heads prevail in Seattle too. I couldn&#039;t agree more that to call this an out and out panic and catastrophe blows things way out of proportion.</p><p>Specifically as things apply to our world of real estate, far more of the &#8220;bad&#8221; is without question behind us than in front of us.</p><p>Look at all the corrective actions that have long been overdue.</p><p>Problem: Too much money lent to underqualified borrowers. Result: High foreclosure rate. Corrective Action: Lending standards tightned.</p><p>Problem: Real estate appreciation outpaced consumer affordability for years. Symptom: The average American could no longer afford an average home. Corrective Action: Prices fell.</p><p>We are well into the needed corrective actions. Is all of the fallout done? Surely not.  But are banks giving money to anyone who can fog a mirror&#8230;uh, no. They stopped doing that 18 months ago. Are sellers flipping houses for 30% profits? Again, that&#039;s ancient history.</p><p>Are we at the bottom? Hmmm&#8230;maybe&#8230;maybe not. But I&#039;d bet you my last Krispy Kreme (the worlds most decadent donut if you don&#039;t have them where you live) that we&#039;re awful close.</p><p>Great job Jenn.</p><p>Chris Martin<br /> Success Coaching and Consulting</p><p><a href="mailto:cmartin@kwcharleston.com">cmartin@kwcharleston.com</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: eng486melville</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link> <dc:creator>eng486melville</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:45:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-626</guid> <description>“Upon gaining a less remote view, the ship, when made signally visible on the verge of the leaden-hued swells, with the shreds of fog here and there raggedly furring her, appeared like a white-washed monastery after a thunderstorm, seen perched upon some dun cliff among the Pyrenees. But it was no purely fanciful resemblance which now, for a moment, almost led Captain Delano to think that nothing less than a ship-load of monks was before him.” – pg. 36In the above passage, Captain Delano is in the middle of analyzing a ship spotted in the distance. I selected this passage because of its focus on perspective. As Captain Delano’s ship moves closer and changes direction, they see the mysterious ship from different angles and in a new way. “A less remote view” and words such as “visible” and “fog” mirror the importance of perspective that dominates most of “Benito Cereno.” This passage and the rest of the short novel demonstrates that you can look at life many different ways and that changing how you are looking at something can often relieve what it really is. In this passage in particular it is interesting that Captain Delano compares the ship to a “white-washed monastery after a thunderstorm.” This simile holds and demonstrates Captain Delano’s background, views, values, and culture. In fact Captain Delano constantly is limited by his perspective and is unable to get outside his own head and the socially prescribed norms he lives by. Captain Delano can only think from a white Christian perspective. He can only see the world and situations through his restricted eyes. Here Captain Delano conjures up monasteries and monks both of which are western and European concepts. In fact in reality the Negroes on the San Dominick most likely do not have monasteries back home and have never seen practicing monks. Also, along with the mention of established religion comes the concepts of colonization, that of which the Negroes are familiar with. The phrase “shreds of fog here and there” reflects and foreshadows the fogs of judgment Captain Delano experiences. Captain Delano’s judgment is fogged by his world views, which causes him to miss the big picture. For example, when Babo shaves Don Benito Cereno in the middle of the day, all Captain Delano can focus on is that this is not the proper or “normal” time to perform such a task. Captain Delano continuously does this throughout the story as he compares how the San Dominick is run to how he operates his own ship. Also, not in this passage but in many others, the word “strange” is used. However, what makes something strange? What makes something normal? These preconceived notions impact and impair Captain Delano’s ability to decipher the situation he encounters. Also, the racial discrimination is at a high and extremely evident throughout the short novel and in this passage. The darkness of a thunderstorm contrasted with the “white” ship, “purely,” and “dun” all highlight color and the contrast of color that consumes this time period. The word “dun” alone appears in Shakespeare and was usually used to describe a dark-skinned woman. The importance of this word here is evident in the fact that in Shakespeare’s time the whiter a woman’s skin was the more pure she was. In other words, being described as “dun” was an insult and seen as unattractive. This is important because these notions, the distinctions between white and dark, are at the core of Melville’s short novel, “Benito Cereno.”Moreover, the fact that this story takes place out at sea and that the mutiny occurs off land suggests two things. First that when away from society there is a greater risk of disturbing the status quo. However, because the Negroes are persecuted in the end and because I have shown above that social decorum still has a great effect on Captain Delano even while at sea, this story demonstrates that one cannot really escape from the social teachings that were engraved into their head.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Upon gaining a less remote view, the ship, when made signally visible on the verge of the leaden-hued swells, with the shreds of fog here and there raggedly furring her, appeared like a white-washed monastery after a thunderstorm, seen perched upon some dun cliff among the Pyrenees. But it was no purely fanciful resemblance which now, for a moment, almost led Captain Delano to think that nothing less than a ship-load of monks was before him.” – pg. 36In the above passage, Captain Delano is in the middle of analyzing a ship spotted in the distance. I selected this passage because of its focus on perspective. As Captain Delano’s ship moves closer and changes direction, they see the mysterious ship from different angles and in a new way. “A less remote view” and words such as “visible” and “fog” mirror the importance of perspective that dominates most of “Benito Cereno.” This passage and the rest of the short novel demonstrates that you can look at life many different ways and that changing how you are looking at something can often relieve what it really is. In this passage in particular it is interesting that Captain Delano compares the ship to a “white-washed monastery after a thunderstorm.” This simile holds and demonstrates Captain Delano’s background, views, values, and culture. In fact Captain Delano constantly is limited by his perspective and is unable to get outside his own head and the socially prescribed norms he lives by. Captain Delano can only think from a white Christian perspective. He can only see the world and situations through his restricted eyes. Here Captain Delano conjures up monasteries and monks both of which are western and European concepts. In fact in reality the Negroes on the San Dominick most likely do not have monasteries back home and have never seen practicing monks. Also, along with the mention of established religion comes the concepts of colonization, that of which the Negroes are familiar with. The phrase “shreds of fog here and there” reflects and foreshadows the fogs of judgment Captain Delano experiences. Captain Delano’s judgment is fogged by his world views, which causes him to miss the big picture. For example, when Babo shaves Don Benito Cereno in the middle of the day, all Captain Delano can focus on is that this is not the proper or “normal” time to perform such a task. Captain Delano continuously does this throughout the story as he compares how the San Dominick is run to how he operates his own ship. Also, not in this passage but in many others, the word “strange” is used. However, what makes something strange? What makes something normal? These preconceived notions impact and impair Captain Delano’s ability to decipher the situation he encounters. Also, the racial discrimination is at a high and extremely evident throughout the short novel and in this passage. The darkness of a thunderstorm contrasted with the “white” ship, “purely,” and “dun” all highlight color and the contrast of color that consumes this time period. The word “dun” alone appears in Shakespeare and was usually used to describe a dark-skinned woman. The importance of this word here is evident in the fact that in Shakespeare’s time the whiter a woman’s skin was the more pure she was. In other words, being described as “dun” was an insult and seen as unattractive. This is important because these notions, the distinctions between white and dark, are at the core of Melville’s short novel, “Benito Cereno.”Moreover, the fact that this story takes place out at sea and that the mutiny occurs off land suggests two things. First that when away from society there is a greater risk of disturbing the status quo. However, because the Negroes are persecuted in the end and because I have shown above that social decorum still has a great effect on Captain Delano even while at sea, this story demonstrates that one cannot really escape from the social teachings that were engraved into their head.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: youarepretty</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link> <dc:creator>youarepretty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-449</guid> <description>Fogless Shower Mirror . Guaranteed Not to Fog, Designed Not to Fall.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fogless Shower Mirror . Guaranteed Not to Fog, Designed Not to Fall.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chriszuma</title><link>http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-327</link> <dc:creator>Chriszuma</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:37:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.sundogstudio.com/fog-mirror/#comment-327</guid> <description>Being unclear on a subject intentionally. Hillary really Fogged the mirror with her views on immigration.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being unclear on a subject intentionally.<br /> Hillary really Fogged the mirror with her views on immigration.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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